1st Open Response
International Concerning their "Us vs. Everything
Else" Article as Posted on Their Website:
Dear Forever Yours International:
One of my customers has asked me
to comment on your "BUYERS BEWARE * DARE to COMPARE article
posted on your corporate website which includes a picture of our
product, All Natural Curves. I am happy to do so.
At some point, in every
competitive industry, one or more companies tries to elevate
their position by attacking all the other companies in their
industry. Usually these are relatively young companies that find
it hard to compete legitimately with their competitors given
their obvious advantages of experience, expertise, larger sales,
name recognition, etc. While I don't know the state of Forever
Yours International in relation to these criteria, it appears
that you are using many of the same tactics that companies that
meet these criteria do.
I have decided to include, as
part of my response, a copy of your article in its entirety as
it is posted on the Forever Yours International website for
reference purposes. I will respond to specific points in this
article by paragraph rather than to the article as a whole. My
opinion of your attempt at self-aggrandizement has already been
FOREVER YOURS INTERNATIONAL
VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE
ANY OF THESE PRODUCTS LOOK
FAMILIAR TO YOU? Well, if they don't, Read on... because you may
One Day Find Yourself being Pitched One of these Products as a
Natural Breast Enlarger... And you may very well Wish to Know
then what you are about to Know Now...
There is a New One Every Week
and, Inevitably, Some of you will be Prone to Choose a Product
solely on its Initial Cost rather than its Merits or Real Value
which, along with your many requests for such information on
Product Differences, and even Program Differences, is why this
page now exists for you...
KH: This line of
thought (accurately pointing out long-term value vs.
short-term value) is generally a good one when followed
truthfully. However, Forever Yours International apparently
has some difficulty discerning, in its words, "...Merits
or Real Value...," as we'll see a little later.
And No, this is Definitely NOT a
section dedicated to "Competition" Bashing, for those
of you who would rather be professionally OR politically correct
rather than discuss the merits of the facts, which IS what this
section is dedicated to... Relevant Information and Correcting
Confusion... (Would you not be upset that we did not inform you
completely of the paradigm in which you are attempting to
quantify?... and secondly, Some of you would not even know to
Instead, this is meant to be an
expose' of sorts of all the products on the market including
ours, some of their origins, what they claim, what they actually
do, how they do it, and all the primary differences... And the
reason, again, we feel this is necessary, you may ask, is?
We have had much communication
requested from lots of you concerned about the differences in
this program and the dozen or so other natural products that
claim, basically, the same thing... to Enlarge your Breasts...
First of all, the KEY WORD here
is BASICALLY... In actuality, the ONLY real similarities that
all these products have in common are that they are, indeed,
typically, all natural formulas of some variety of herbs and
plant extracts and they all come in a container/packaging with a
pretty label of some kind... Seems Similar (sic) enough, huh?
Unfortunately, It Stops Right There...
To Achieve True Lasting breast
enlargement using the lean (glandular) tissue in the breasts,
you must trigger Mammogenesis... And the only all natural plant
and herb formula that's been developed to date that can do that
is the Erdic formula (via Erdic UK or Forever Yours USA)...
KH: Well, we have
partial truths here. Mammogenesis is the term used for
describing the development of the mammary gland and associated
structures, i.e. fat, lobes, ducts, nipple and areola, and
connective tissue. So normal breast development during puberty
includes more than just the glandular tissue of the breast as
you would assert in your article. Further from the truth, is
the assertion that the Forever Yours International product is
the only natural plant and herb formula that can induce that
Dozens of plants
and herbs are known to contain various phytoestrogens
(compounds that mimic the effect of estrogen in the body). To
suggest that products containing sufficient amounts of
phytoestrogens other than those phytoestrogens contained in
the Forever Yours International product cannot trigger
mammogenesis is absurd. In fact, it can be argued that many
products available contain much higher levers of active
phytoestrogens than those found in the Forever Yours
company's product, All Natural Curves, is one of them. You
should be more careful in your assertions of truth here.
Someone may challenge you to a controlled, side-by-side test
to see if your product can compare to some of the other
products on the market that you claim CANNOT trigger
mammogenesis! In fact, I'd love to take you up on that one.
Now, about this
reference to Erdic UK within the same parenthesis as Forever
Yours USA while you're discussing the Erdic formula... Are you
promoting Erdic here or the Forever Yours International
product? Reputable companies promote their own product when
extolling the virtues of its formula or performance
capabilities. This is as it should be. However, you seem to
praise the Erdic formula, even suggesting that you have or are
the source of this "wonderful" formula here in the
You never mention
that your company or your formula have nothing to do with
Erdic. And you don't have anything to do with them. I called
the legal department of Erdic in London, and they told me that
they had never heard of you. So what are you trying to
accomplish here? I may be wrong, but it seems to be forthright
and ethical to promote one's own product, formula, or track
record. To extol the virtues of another company or product and
then lead people to believe that your product is "just as
good" or better, is misleading at best, and fraudulent at
You may want to
check your literature before the REAL Erdic people track you
down. By the way, I did give the Erdic legal department your
website URL, as seen at the beginning of this article. They
will probably wonder about a number of things you mention on
your website not the least of which is how you have sold
product to over half a million customers, when Erdic, the
company whose formula you copied and sales statistics you
quote for your own credibility, only claims 100,000+ customers
Did you happen to
keep an invoice or some sort of record from each of your
So, unless you are currently
experiencing either puberty or pregnancy, which is triggered by
your body releasing certain hormones, you are Not going to be
experiencing mammogenesis... No Ifs, Ands, OR Buts... Nothing
else even comes close...
KH: Well, you're
close but not totally correct. The mammogenesis that occurs
during puberty results in the increase of fat and connective
tissue. No development of the secretory tissues occurs at this
time. Extensive lobuloalveolar development occurs only during
pregnancy. It takes increased levels of both estrogen and
progesterone for the kind of lobuloalveolar development that
occurs during pregnancy.
That is why this
type of breast development does not occur during the menstrual
cycle when only one of these hormones is elevated at a time.
Are you suggesting that the Forever Yours International
product induces the same physiological processes that normally
occurs only during pregnancy?
It's worse than if the
"competition" (we use that term loosely because it
implies comparable products with comparable results... just not
so) were really saying, "Hey, there's really no difference
between a bicycle and a Lexus for transportation; Look, they
both have wheels, they both are all natural, they both have
phytoestrogens, it's all the same... Look, Look, MeToo!,
KH: I think you use
plenty of things "loosely" in your assertions. Seems
pretty strange to me for a company who admits to
"knocking off" someone's else's formula while using
that company's sales statistics, to then accuse other
companies of being "MeToo's"!
Well, stop looking and start
analyzing because, at least, with the bicycle, you can still,
eventually, get where you wanted to go... With CopyCats and
MeToos, you get left beside the road with an empty bag and more
to the point, an empty bra... So, now that you know, don't fall
Once again, let us be Clear...
this formula known worldwide as the Original European Formula
(International AKA Cerdic), in Europe as Erdic & in the USA
as Forever Yours is currently the ONLY all natural plant &
herb formula on the market that is capable of triggering
KH: There's that
Erdic/Forever Yours International confusion again. Here you
say that Forever Yours International is the same as Erdic in
Europe. Later you claim that your formula produces results 50%
faster. Which is it fellas? Are you really the same as this
supposed "miracle" formula you quote throughout your
entire article, or are you just a knock-off product? Almost
makes one think you're trying to make us believe something
that's not true...
And just so you also know, the
"Cerdic" formula was the first of what has become an
Industry of all natural breast enhancers... there was no such
thing before a Holland physician accidentally (sic) discovered
it researching nutritional formulations that could help aid in
the prevention of common breast cancers resulting from toxic
estrogen buildup and concentrations in the breasts...
KH: Okay, so this
"Cerdic" formula, marketed here in the "USA as
Forever Yours" (there's that confusion again), was the
first of the all natural breast enhancers. Maybe that's true,
but it's immaterial. Is the first of anything necessarily the
best or most effective? Improvements come with time in any
industry, this one is no different. Should we all get rid of
our PC's and buy old Altaire computers because they were the
first real personal computer? Remember that challenge I made
The only other formula claiming
credible evidence to induce mammogenesis and to be all natural,
which is a stretch because by their definition so is fossile
(sic) fuels (but you wouldn't ingest that, we hope) is NOT
derived from plants and herbs, but is made from bovine ovaries
which is a fancy covert term for cow hormones, said to induce
KH: "The only
other formula claiming 'credible' evidence...." What
statistics make this other unnamed formula and the Forever
Yours International product credible? Are you kidding? Do you
imagine that full-blown, double-blind studies have been
conducted on your product to establish the credibility you
claim? Or am I mistaken in the belief that these studies don't
really exist? Perhaps you could post them on your website to
clear up any confusion. After all, isn't that the stated
purpose of your article here? Only the Erdic formula has
"credible evidence," you say. But the Forever Yours
International product is not the Erdic formula is it? Or is
Well, we don't know that much
about it, actually, in terms of success rates and long term
effects, etc., because we specialize in nutrition, and cow
hormones, thank God, Do NOT fall in the nutritional all natural
health category, but then again, neither does fossile fuels...
All we can say regarding their
claims is, "If it works, take at your own risk, but please
don't date other humans or procreate until you know for sure
what it is you've done to yourself or what it is you've
become... everyone thanks you..."
KH: As far as this
other product being unnatural... Do you consider animal tissue
to be unnatural? Glandulars (animal organs) have been used as
food or medicinals for thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of
years. Could you explain a little more fully why you state
that these substances, which are classified under the same
GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) guidelines by the FDA as
plant-derived substances, are dangerous and likely to cause
genetic disorders (as you imply in your article).
I don't use
glandulars in All Natural Curves either because of some
long-term health concerns I have about them. But my opinion is
only that, opinion. I think your statements here are totally
unsupported and used only to incite fear in an unknowing
public. This is especially condemning to you here because you
claim to be taking the "moral high road" by claiming
to state only facts in your article. You then use this
"holier than thou" position to legitimize your own
product that obviously can't compete on its own merits in the
marketplace. Ever heard the name Jimmy Swaggert or Jim Bakker?
Regardless, while the
"Metoo" hormone balancers and fertility formulas (most
of which are listed for you on the right) have been historically
known to produce some temporary size fluctuations, and can
sometimes produce a slight increase similar to that you would
experience during your monthly cycle; for the Average person
they are NOT going to produce the kinds of results you would
consider an actual alternative to augmentation or implants...
KH: How do you
suppose your product works? Are you suggesting that you know
which specific phytoestrogen produces true mammogenesis and
which ones produce "temporary size fluctuations."
Which phytoestrogens are those? And what proof do you have
that allows you to declare that any other product is "NOT
going to produce the kinds of results you would consider an
actual alternative to augmentation or implants..." I wait
with bated breath...
And what that is, mainly, or
should be is that most of you want something that is going to
last at least about as long as implants would to be considered
an alternative (this alone rules out all the rest because they
require maintenance for life... Why? They can't & don't
trigger mammogenesis, period)...
last at least about as long as implants would..." Can we
get a little more vague here? Are you suggesting that once
women take your product, that their breasts will look the same
ten years from now as they do today? Phytoestrogens create new
breast tissue, both glandular and fatty tissue. The
consistency of these two types of tissue have a demonstrably
different feel, with the glandular tissue being more dense.
This difference in
density is what serves as the basis for mammographic imaging.
Over time, glandular tissue is replaced by fatty tissue which
is more fluid. Hence, with time, the normal appearance of the
breast changes. Phytoestrogens tend to "push back"
the clock for the appearance of the breast, but it cannot stop
A good herbal
breast enhancement product will tend to make your breasts look
and feel like you were 10 to 15 years younger. Even the
Forever Yours International product will likely bring about
this effect if enough of the product is used for a long enough
period of time.
Secondly, most of you DON'T want
to add something drearily permanent like pill taking or rubbing
creams to your already hectic schedules every day for the rest
of your life OR every other month for life;
KH: Most other
products including our own, don't require maintenance for
life. They simply suggest that taking phytoestrogens on a
regular basis will help preserve any new breast growth
(properly), and provide many other health benefits. Many women
who have included phytoestrogens in their diet have reported
more youthful looking breasts than their sisters, girlfriends,
Besides, even if you could or you
would, you are going to wind up spending many more $1000s over a
lifetime... So it shouldn't even be an economic issue for you,
unless you've already figured that in our favor...
KH: Most of our
customers and most of all herbal breast enhancement products
discontinue usage after the recommended usage period, usually
90 to 180 days. So, your "lifetime" arguments are
just an attempt to justify a much higher price than other
products including All Natural Curves. I would encourage all
prospective herbal breast enhancement customers to investigate
pricing on all products. I can certainly understand your
attempts to explain your exorbitant price. My suspicion is
that most customers see right through your explanation.
products will work if enough of the product is used for long
enough. The major difference in products is how much active
phytoestrogens they contain. The "maintenance"
concept is just as applicable for the Erdic, Forever Yours
International, or any other product.
Thirdly, you are going to want a
product or program that allows YOU to CHOOSE what size you will
end up, not genetics (after all, isn't that the reason you're
online looking for some help?)...
KH: Well now, this
assertion is truely an astounding one. Genetics no longer
determine body traits like breast size? How about hair color
(Clairol notwithstanding)? Or eye color? While not a
controlling factor, most researchers believe genetics to be
one of many determinants of a woman's breast size.
But let me see if I
understand your claim. If I am a woman with an "A"
cup size breast, I can decide to become a woman with a
"D" cup size breast if I just take your product long
enough. Perhaps this is another point you forgot to put in
your guarantee... Or do you not guarantee your product?
NONE of which will you find with
any other natural formula on the market... Most of them will
readily admit to these shortcomings, others will Not... It hast
(sic) to be up to you to hold them to the fire on this... We
can't keep you from being duped... But we can give you the
information you need to make informed decisions for yourselves
because one thing is for sure...
Sooner or Later you will end up
Here or Nowhere at all; either after the Expensive mistake of
years of Implants OR after dealing with the frustration of
natural products high on claims that don't produce meaningful
lasting results... And who knows... You might be so cynical
about everything by then, you don't ever even try the one
program that could give you exactly what you want/wanted which
dealing with the frustration of natural products high on
claims that don't produce meaningful lasting results..."
Hummmm. Seems like your reference to "claims" is a
bit misdirected. Some companies like mine, Advanced Health
Group, don't make claims. We don't have so called "before
and after" pictures on our website either. Claims and
pictures are manufactured every day in this business. We make
I get this one all
the time. It's easy for companies who have no intention of
offering a guarantee or only a weak guarantee to try to accuse
other companies of making false claims. Well my friends, where
is your guarantee? You say you have a guarantee in your
literature, but I couldn't find it in your website. Your
employee even told me where to go on your website to find it
when I called, but it wasn't there. Can anybody else find it?
If you'd like to
see a real guarantee, go to our website and find out how to
write the proper language in a clear, straightforward manner
that puts your money where your mouth is. It's
To have shapely, firmer, larger,
natural looking breasts; To have a choice in deciding how much
you want to grow; To NOT have to worry about risks to your
future in terms of your health, economics, and insurance
coverages; To NOT have to worry about ongoing maintenance...
then you really ONLY have ONE Choice in Formulas...
The ORIGINAL EUROPEAN FORMULA for
Bigger Better Breasts (International AKA Cerdic)...
KH: Gee guys, you
might have escaped the legal wrath of the real Erdic company
if you hadn't made that last statement. Are you "The
ORIGINAL EUROPEAN FORMULA for Bigger Better Breasts"? Or
is that Erdic? I'm sorry, I didn't notice your disclaimer or
the phrase "Used with Permission by Erdic" in your
ADD on top of that: the fastest
average growth rates (@50% faster than the Erdic UK version
according to their web site information), American-made Quality
in FDA quality controlled manufacturing facilities, Ergonomic
Design for easier swallowing, Extended shelf-life packaging,
Personalized Professional Support Services, Lowest overall Cost,
Security of a Guarantee, and an Industry whopping 99%+ success
rate, then you ONLY have ONE Choice in Brands...
KH: Okay fellas,
this is getting too ridiculous for even you. I'll make you a
deal. If you can verify that you've conducted even half of the
500,000+ sales of this product you claim at a 99+% success
rate, I'll remove this posting, publicly apologize for
doubting your integrity, and pay you $10,000. There isn't an
herbal product on the face of the planet that has a 99+%
success rate. Do you suppose that customers might find it a
little "funny" that you are the only company that
claims success rates anywhere close to this 99+% number?
Obviously you agreed with P. T. Barnum. (Remember, the one of
circus fame, a new sucker born every minute...).
The FOREVER YOURS BRAND...
American Made, the New and Improved Cerdic Formula... And we're
so Confident in our New and Improved Formula, we will Challenge
you to Order One Month of Forever Yours USA and One Month of
Erdic UK... If you don't then agree Forever Yours USA is a
Better Product/Program for Bigger Better Breasts, we will Buy
your next month of Erdic UK...
If you have any additional
questions concerning product differences, please address it in
an email to us...
No Emails go Unanswered... A Response to All and to All a
Response (Online Staff Motto)... thank you...
KH: This response
to your little diatribe has been posted on our website. Drop
by and have a look if you like.
By the way, just
leave the picture of our product, All Natural Curves, on your
website. I am much more proud to be associated with most of
the companies you have listed there than I am Forever Yours
International. Our product's picture will also continue to
serve as a very clear statement to every potential customer as
to your company's integrity.
Kenneth R. Hampshire
Kenneth R. Hampshire, is head of
new product development at Advanced Health Group located in
Aurora, CO. Advanced Health Group's natural breast enhancement
product, All Natural Curves is one of the most effective,
natural breast enhancement products available. It also carries a
100%, money-back guarantee.
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